Nov 01, 2022 Finance Committee

TIME TO START OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING.

[1. Roll Call - Announcement of a Quorum]

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I DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL [LAUGHTER] BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 551 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACTS I CALL TO ORDER OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF DALLAS COLLEGE FOR NOVEMBER THE FIRST, 2022, AT 1:16.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE DALLAS COLLEGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WEBSITE FOR REGISTERING TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS WILL BE GIVEN 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THIS FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING IS BEING BROADCAST OVER THE INTERNET AND AUDIO RECORDING AND TRANSCRIPTS OF THIS MEETING ARE BEING MADE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THE BOARD'S WEBSITE AFTER THE MEETING AT A LATER DATE.

CHANCELLOR, CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THE MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW?

[2. Certification of Notice Posted for the Meeting]

THAT'S RIGHT, SIR. SO AT THIS TIME, CHANCELLOR, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU TO INTRODUCE OUR FIRST GUEST, AND I'LL THANK YOU FOR THAT.

[4.1. Legislative Update]

WE TALKED ABOUT IT'S NOW THEY'VE MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT JUST ABOUT GENERAL LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU TO CONSIDER SOME SOME FORMAL LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

BUT I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE WITH US HERE TODAY RAY MARTINEZ, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT CEO OF THE TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES, WHO IS RECENTLY STARTED IN THAT ROLE.

BUT HE IS NO STRANGER TO HIGHER EDUCATION IN TEXAS.

HE'S BEEN IN NUMEROUS ROLES THROUGH THE YEARS THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.

WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER IN THE PAST FOR FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE ASSUMING THIS ROLE TO THE LEAD TAC.

HE WAS THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF THE TEXAS HIGHER EDUCATION COORDINATING BOARD.

SO HE HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING CLEARLY OF WHAT GOES ON IN THAT BUILDING AND WITH THAT WORK AND HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMISSIONER.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO JOINED IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE FOUR.

SHAPIRO HERE WITH US.

YOU ALL KNOW SENATOR SHAPIRO, WHO SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT HAVING TWO FORMER MAYORS TOGETHER, BUT YOU CAN BE SURE ABOUT ONE.

SHE ALWAYS SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

AND I GO WAY BACK.

AND SHAPIRO HAS BEEN A LONGTIME ADVOCATE AND CHAMPION OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND HER SERVICE IN THE SENATE AND HER SERVICE ON THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.

AND DALLAS COLLEGE SPECIFICALLY WAS ALWAYS ONE OF OUR GO TOS WHEN WE NEEDED HELP, WE NEEDED ASSISTANCE.

SHE ALWAYS ANSWERED THE CALL, AND SHE'S ON IT.

SHE'S GOT A GREAT, THRIVING CONSULTING BUSINESS.

SHAPIRO LYNNE, STRATEGIC CONSULTING THAT WORKS WITH TAC.

AND SO WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HER WORK ON BEHALF OF ALL COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO CHANGE SEATS AND REMIND MYSELF, WELL, JUSTIN IS COMING UP.

I WANT TO SAY THAT ALSO THESE TWO GUYS, THIS GUY AND GAL, ARE THE ONES THAT THAT WORKING WITH THE DAD ORGANIZATION, GETTING TO WORK WITH THESE TWO GUYS IS THE REASON THAT I'VE GOTTEN EXCITED ABOUT BEING ON THAT BOARD AND WORK.

IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ACCESS TO VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE AND RESOURCEFUL PEOPLE.

AND AND THAT'S WHY I'M ENCOURAGING ALL OF US TO GET MORE ACTIVE AND GET OUR ORGANIZATION THAT GIVES US A VOICE THAT WE OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT HAVE.

AND SO JUST TO GET TO KNOW THEM MORE PERSONAL TODAY IS THE MORE ENCOURAGEMENT IN MY HEART.

AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE THERE ARE MANY PLACES BOTH OF THEM COULD BE TODAY, BUT THEY LIVE AND BREATHE THIS WORK AND EVERY DAY IN REPRESENTING THE TEXAS COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

AND SO I WANT TO DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE FINANCE COMMISSION.

AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THEM GENERALLY AND THIS THIS SLIDE KIND OF LIST OF THREE AREAS IN WHICH THE COMMISSION HAS FOCUSED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO WE'LL GET INTO DEPTH ON ON SOME OF THEM.

SOME OF THE DETAILS STILL HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT, SO THE DETAILS HAVEN'T BEEN FLESHED OUT.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH TCC AND WITH COORDINATING BOARD AND CERTAINLY WILL BE WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE DURING THE SESSION ON THOSE DETAILS AS AS WE ALL SEEK TO REFINE THEM.

SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS ABOUT MAKING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

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BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS YOU AS YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU ADD ALL THESE NUMBERS UP, WHAT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT OF ABOUT $650 INTO COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

THAT IS UNHEARD OF.

THAT IS HISTORICAL.

BUT AGAIN, THAT SPEAKS TO THE RECOGNITION, FIRST OF THE LEGISLATURE IN CREATING THIS COMMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IT'S A YES, MA'AM.

IS THAT ADDITIONAL TO THE CONTACT OUR FUNDING OR DOES THAT REPLACE CONTACT WITH THE NEW MONEY, WHICH BEING NEW NEW DOLLARS? SO THIS IS TRANSFORMING THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT GIVE CREDIT TO THE LEGISLATURE LAST SESSION TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO CREATE THIS COMMISSION AND THE WORK THAT THE COMMISSION DID TO LOOK VERY SERIOUSLY AT WHAT IS THE ROLE OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN EACH OF OUR COMMUNITIES ACROSS TEXAS, KNOWING THAT THAT WE SERVE IN DIFFERENT WAYS AMONGST THE OTHER 49 COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEMS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND AS WE TALKED BEFORE, WE'RE FUNDED DIFFERENTLY.

THE REVENUE MIX IS DIFFERENT FROM THE INSTITUTION DEPENDING ON SIZE AND SO SCOPE AND SCALE.

AND SO THE COMMISSION IS REALLY TRYING TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT ONCE IT'S ALL WORKED OUT, IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR DALLAS COLLEGE, MIGHT BE WORSE FOR DALLAS COLLEGE, AND WE'LL GET INTO THOSE THOSE DETAILS AS THIS GOES ON.

BUT AGAIN, IT STARTS WITH A SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL INVESTMENT IN THE ROLE.

IN THE FORM OF JUST ONE.

SO DO WE SEE THAT THERE'LL BE A CONTINUAL DOWNSLIDE ON CONTACT OUT OF THIS CHANGE IN NOT GOING TO CONTACT ANYMORE? IT'S JUST IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE CHANGES, LIMITS.

AND SO A CONTRACT THAT YOU DON'T GET PAID.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, OUTCOMES BASED FUNDING.

AND SO IT CHANGES THE DIALOG OF WHAT DOES ENROLLMENT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANCE OF ENROLLMENT VERSUS WHAT HAPPENS FROM AN OUTCOMES PERSPECTIVE.

AND YOU'LL REMEMBER A DOZEN OR SO YEARS AGO WHEN THE LEGISLATURES FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT ADDING STUDENT SUCCESS POINTS.

AT THAT POINT IT WAS ABOUT 10% OF OUR FUNDING MIX.

WAS THAT. OKAY, PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

SO CONTACT OUR FUNDING IS GOING AWAY NOW.

THE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE THIS $650 MILLION POT OF NOTHING ADDITIONAL $650 MILLION.

RIGHT. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY START WITH THE FACT THAT CURRENTLY THERE'S ABOUT 1.8 BILLION FOR THE CURRENT BIENNIUM IN STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAT IS SPREAD OUT AND COST ACROSS ABOUT 52 MILLION COLLEGE DISTRICTS FOR AND THAT'S BASED ON ENROLLMENT OR AS WE SAY, CONTACT OUR FUNDING.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO NOT RETREAT FROM THAT.

IN FACT, IF YOU ADD UP A FEW OTHER POSSIBILITIES, WHAT LIKE $2 BILLION THAT IN STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAT GETS SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE 50 COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMISSION IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE NOT RETREAT FROM THAT CURRENT FUNDING LEVEL, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, TO IMPLEMENT THIS NEW FUNDING MODEL BASED UPON PERFORMANCE AND OUTCOMES THAT THE COMMISSION HAS SAID TO THE LEGISLATURE, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST $650 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL STATE REVENUE TO MOVE FROM THIS CURRENT STATIC MODEL THAT'S BASED ON CONTACT AREAS WHERE THE LEGISLATURE SAYS, HERE'S 1.8 BILLION YOU 50 COMMUNITY COLLEGES GO FIVE, GO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DIVIDE THAT POT UP.

THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT OCCURS AT THE START OF THE RECESSION TO ONE THAT WOULD BE DYNAMIC WHERE IF WE OUTPERFORM WHAT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR A BIENNIUM, THEN THE LEGISLATURE WILL PAY FOR THAT PERFORMANCE, EVEN IF IT GOES BEYOND THE AMOUNT THAT IS SET BY THE LEGISLATURE FOR A FUNDING PERIOD FOR PERCEPTUALLY.

SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT MODEL, YES, BUT NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO LIKE THEY DID WITH CONTACT.

OUR FUNDING STARTED DECREASING OR DECREASING.

DECREASING WELL, IN SUBSEQUENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE BE A HOLD HARMLESS PERIOD SO THAT, NO, NONE OF THE 50 COMMUNITY COLLEGES WILL GET ANY WORSE OFF IN THEIR FUNDING THAN WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE IN THE CURRENT BIENNIUM.

AND THEN FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, WE WOULD THEY WOULD START TO PAY THE BASED UPON PERFORMANCE AND.

AND AN COMES ESSENTIALLY.

AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ASPECTS TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, AS THE CHANCELLOR HAS SAID, 650 MILLION FOR THE OUTCOMES PORTION ITSELF.

ABOUT 430 MILLION OF THAT 650 WOULD GO TOWARDS PAYING THESE OUTCOMES.

BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL POTS OF MONEY THAT THAT THAT EQUATE TO THAT 650 MILLION THAT ARE ALSO VERY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR OUR FOR OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

RIGHT. WAIT AND SEE IN TERMS OF ME.

WELL, IT IS A SEISMIC SHIFT.

AND SO, AGAIN, THIS $430 MILLION AND YOU CAN SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND THAT REALLY TO HELP SUPPORT CREDENTIALS OF VALUE,

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DUAL CREDIT IS A HUGE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AROUND THE STATE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES OF HOW EACH INSTITUTION SUPPORTS.

DON'T READ IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DECIDED AND CHOSEN TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN THOSE STUDENTS AND WAIVE THE COST OF DUAL CREDIT.

OTHER INSTITUTIONS, THEY CHARGE A PARTIAL AMOUNT OR THEY CHARGE A FULL AMOUNT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO THERE ARE INEQUITIES INHERENT IN THAT EXIST AROUND THE STATE.

AND SO THIS REALLY LOOKS AT IT FROM A STATE WIDE PERSPECTIVE.

AGAIN, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF DUAL CREDIT? HOW DOES THAT FIT IN? AND SO AS WE GET INTO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, YOU KIND OF SEE HOW HOW THEY ADDRESS THAT.

SO THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AS RAY WAS MENTIONING, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS BEYOND THE FORMULA THAT THESE NEW DOLLARS COME INTO PLAY.

AND SO ONE OF THOSE IS THROUGH T OR G, THE TEXAS OPPORTUNITY GRANTS THAT THIS SEEKS TO SEEK TO INVEST MORE HEAVILY. THEY'RE ABLE TO RAISE AND ESTABLISH A STATE GOAL OF SUPPORTING 70% OF QUALIFIED LOW INCOME STUDENTS THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.

RIGHT NOW, RAY, THE PERCENTAGE IS 28%.

WE ARE FUNDED TMG IS FUNDED TO THE POINT OF US BEING ABLE TO ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR ABOUT 28% OF ELIGIBLE STUDENTS, AND TOG IS A NEED BASED FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM.

TEXAS GRANTS IS THE NEED BASED FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE 10 TO 40 YEARS TO BE SPECIFIC TO TWO YEAR PUBLIC COLLEGES.

SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHANCELLOR SAID IS TO RAISE THE FUNDING LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN PACKAGE TO EOG TO AT LEAST 70% OF ELIGIBLE STUDENTS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 28%.

THAT'S A DRAMATIC INCREASE AND ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT.

SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT RIGHT INTO INTO OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE INDUSTRY.

AND DORA.

LIKE I SAID, IT IS IT IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY AROUND THE STATE.

SO THIS IS AN AREA WHERE, AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S DETAILS TO BE WORKED OUT ON THOSE.

BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TO ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM TUITION RATE FOR DUAL CREDIT COURSES SET BY THE CORE AWARD. SO THAT'S REALLY IMPACT US SINCE OUR AMOUNT IS ZERO.

BUT FOR OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT CHARGE VARYING LEVELS OF VARYING DEGREES, IF THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THIS, DON'T GET THE FINANCIAL AID THAT'S BEING ESTABLISHED, THEN THEY NEED TO MEET THAT MINIMUM AMOUNT, NOT EXCEED THAT A MINIMUM AMOUNT.

AND THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE TO RECONSIDER OUR TUITION WAIVER FOR DUAL CREDIT COURSES BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE STATE MONEY ON THE TABLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF ONE OF THE DETAILS TO WORK OUT IS THAT CLEARLY WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD. AND SO MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE FINANCIAL AID DOLLARS TO SUPPORT STUDENTS IN A WAY THAT WE'RE WAIVING RIGHT NOW? THE WAY THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS IS IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT WOULD IT PROPOSES THIS COMMISSION, AS ONE MEMBER COMMISSION PROPOSES, THAT THE COORDINATING BOARD WOULD GET THE AUTHORITY TO SET WHAT IS A MAXIMUM TUITION RATE FOR DUAL CREDIT.

AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT IN THE COLLEGE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE, IT'S NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO SET YOUR TUITION AT THAT RATE.

IT MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM TUITION RATE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE, WHETHER IT BE 150 SEMESTER CREDIT PER SEMESTER, CREDIT HOURS OR $200.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATE WOULD BE.

THERE WOULD BE A FORMULA THAT HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED AS TO HOW THE COORDINATING BOARD WOULD SET THAT MAXIMUM TUITION RATE.

AND ANY COLLEGE, ANY COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT THAT WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM, BECAUSE PART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE STATE THROUGH SOME POT OF MONEY, WHETHER IT'S GENERAL REVENUE OR SOME OTHER SOURCE, THE STATE WOULD ACTUALLY PICK UP THE TAB FOR ANY STUDENT THAT IS A FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH STUDENT WHO WISHES TO ENROLL IN DUAL CREDIT.

AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS WHO BECAUSE THEY MIGHT LIVE IN AN AREA THAT WOULD CHARGE SOMETHING, ARE UNABLE TO ENROLL IN IN A IN A IN A CAREER OR ACADEMIC PATHWAY FOR DUAL CREDIT COURSES.

THE STATE FEELS LIKE THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND THIS COMMISSION FEELS THAT WAY.

AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO THE STATE THAT THERE THAT THERE BE THIS NEW ESSENTIALLY FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM FOR FOR ESSENTIALLY LOW INCOME DUAL CREDIT STUDENTS ALL ACROSS THE

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TELL ME ABOUT REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY.

BUT ONE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT THE STATE PUT IN PLACE AND WAS CONSCIOUS TO ENCOURAGE TO A CREDIT PROGRAM IS THIS TO CLAIM REIMBURSEMENT FOR STUDENTS AND DUAL CREDIT PROGRAMS AS WELL AS FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO CLAIM CONTACT HOURS? SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THAT WAS DOUBLE DIPPING.

SO, BY THE WAY, IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE? AND IF IT GOES AWAY, THAT WOULD BE LESS INCENTIVE FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO PARTNER WITH US ON THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MONITOR CLOSELY.

THERE ARE THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THIS AS AS THE CHANCELLOR HAS EXPLAINED, THAT DETAILS STILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.

I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE 12 MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION DO NOT WANT TO IMPEDE ANY KIND OF PARTNERSHIP OR COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND OUR ESD. SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THIS NEW FUNDING FORMULA, CONTACT HOURS WOULD NOT BE THE BASIS TO DRIVE THE PRIMARY STATE APPROPRIATIONS TOWARDS COMMUNITY COLLEGES WOULD BE BASED UPON PERFORMANCE, AND WE DO A LOT OF GOOD CREDIT AND DALLAS COLLEGE IS NO EXCEPTION, CERTAINLY.

BUT ACROSS THE STATE, OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES, I THINK I'VE SEEN FIGURES THAT PERHAPS SOMETHING LIKE 90 OR 92% OF ALL DUAL CREDIT IS SOURCED TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT ACROSS THE STATE.

THE BULK OF DUE CREDIT IS IN OUR SECTOR AND THEREFORE IF WE HAVE A PRIMARY METRIC, THAT IS ONE OF THE OUTCOME DRIVERS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MORE HIGHLY WEIGHTED OUTCOMES TO PAY FOR US UNDER PERFORMANCE BASED FORMULA, THAT IS THAT IS A GREAT THING.

ALREADY ON TOP OF THAT IS THE PROPOSAL HERE IN THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STATE WOULD CREATE THIS ESSENTIALLY A NEW FINANCIAL AID PROGRAM TO PAY FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE FREE OR REDUCED LUNCH TO BE ABLE TO BE ROLLED INTO A CREDIT COURSES THAT ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT DUAL CREDIT IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF THIS NEW PROPOSED OUTCOMES BASED FORMULA, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE LOOKS VERY LOOKS VERY.

IN THE FIRST SECTOR. THERE'S NO CREDIT NOT AVAILABLE TO ALL THE STUDENTS.

RIGHT. SO THIS WILL GO STRAIGHT.

SO THIS COULD OPEN AN AVENUE FOR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

WOULD IT OPEN UP AN AVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE, DALLAS COLLEGE, TO OFFER DUAL CREDIT COURSES IN SOME OF THE RURAL AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH ACCESS TO BE ENOUGH. SO WE GOT TO PASS.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT OUT OF TERRITORY? SO THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN MEETING FOR A YEAR, IS FULL MEMBER COMMISSION PER YEAR.

I THINK WE ALL PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT IT.

BUT IT IS. IT IS.

IT IS. IT IS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMUNITY COLLEGE CEOS FROM ACROSS THE STATE.

THERE'S ONE TRUSTEE THAT'S ABOUT ONE OF THE 12 COMMISSION, AND THAT'S THE VARIOUS OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS, TWO STATE REPS AND TWO STATE SENATORS ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A YEAR AND THEY'VE HELD SEVEN HEARINGS ACROSS THIS WELL, NOT ACROSS THE STATE, BUT IN AUSTIN.

RIGHT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

THEY DID LOOK AT IN IN DISTRICT OR IN SERVICE AREA OR IN DISTRICT AND OUT OF DISTRICT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE A WAY THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE ACROSS THE STATE? AND THERE REALLY THERE WAS NOT A CONSENSUS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.

SO SO, TRUSTEE FLOYD, TO GET TO YOUR QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY I DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO ANY QUESTION THAT SPECIFIC TO DALLAS COLLEGE THAT WHEN I WOULD LEAVE FOR THE FOR THE CHANCELLOR TO ANSWER. BUT I THINK IT'S TRUE IF IF IT'S AN AREA THAT'S IN YOUR SERVICE AREA THAT THAT THAT YOU WOULD YOU KNOW AND THERE ARE LOW INCOME REDUCED LEVEL STUDENTS THAT THE STATE WOULD REIMBURSE THE COLLEGE FOR.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DEFER TO YOU OFTEN MAKE TO OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE OUR DECISION IF WE WANTED TO OPEN EXACTLY ANY SANDRA, I MEAN, LOOK, THERE HAS BEEN A A FEAR AT DIFFERENT TIMES THAT INSTITUTIONS LIKE US THAT DON'T CHARGE DUAL CREDIT, THAT HAVE ROBUST DUAL CREDIT OPERATIONS AND SERVICES, THAT THAT WE MIGHT COME INTO OTHER AREAS AND BE ABLE TO UNDERCUT SOME OF OUR SISTER INSTITUTIONS. AND SO THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO TAKE MORE OF A STATEWIDE VIEW APPROACH TO THE POLICY CHALLENGE OF HOW TO PROVIDE DUAL CREDIT WITH THEM WITHIN EVERY COMMUNITY. I WILL ALWAYS ADD TO YOUR QUESTION THAT IF WE ARE A SOLUTION THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO CONSIDER, THEN THEN I'LL CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER THEM.

THANK YOU. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO SUPPORT WORKPLACE LEARNING.

WE TALK A LOT HERE ABOUT.

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OUR STUDENTS HAVE TO WORK.

AND AS WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF APPRENTICESHIPS AND INTERNSHIPS THAT WE DO HERE IN OUR PARTNERSHIPS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF APPRENTICESHIPS IN THE HEALTH CARE SPACE OF ANY PLACE IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF OUR WORK WITH THE AMA AND OTHERS.

YOU KNOW, WE CREATED THE FIRST TEACHER APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM WITH WITH RISD.

WITH THAT TEACHER RESIDENCY PROGRAM.

AND SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RECORD OF DEVELOPING THOSE EARLY LEARNING MODELS.

AND WE WE ALL, I THINK ACROSS THE STATE ARE SEEING EMPLOYERS GET MORE CREATIVE ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO WORK WITH US TO HELP BUILD THEIR PIPELINE AND THEIR WORKFORCE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS TIME WITH THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING FOLKS TO WORK.

AND SO THIS IS RECOGNITION FROM THE STATE THAT THERE MAY BE NEED SOME IT NEEDS TO BE SOME INVESTMENT IN THAT IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US WERE ENGAGING IN SOME OF THESE THINGS, UNCERTAIN WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

AND WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE A NEED TO EXIST.

AND I THINK THAT THIS REALLY GETS TO THE HEART OF THAT.

AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT AS THIS CONVERSATION PLAYS OUT THERE, HOW THE STATE IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE THESE TYPE OF TRADES.

COULD YOU GUYS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO SHIFT WORKFORCE INITIATIVES, BUT HOW WOULD THE STATE ADMINISTER A POT OF MONEY TO DO MORE APPRENTICESHIPS? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE KIND OF THE GRANT PROGRAM OR WHAT, THROUGH THE BOARD, ANY BOARD? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A MODEL THAT'S ALREADY STARTED REPORTING FOR FOURTH YEAR FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE AGENCY.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE HAT THAT I WAS WEARING JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO AS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER FOR ACADEMIC AFFAIRS.

BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING A LITTLE BIT OF SORT OF THEY'RE NOT MICRO GRANTS, BUT SMALLER GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN THAT THAT WE UTILIZED WITH THE GEAR FUNDS.

AND THE GEAR FUNDS WERE EDUCATIONAL FUNDS.

THEY WERE CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

AND GOVERNOR ABBOTT ALLOCATED SOMETHING LIKE $470 MILLION OF YEAR FUNDS TOWARDS HIGHER EDUCATION.

AND A PORTION OF THAT WAS USED BY THE AWARDING BOARD TO ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT NOT JUST APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS BUT ALSO PAID INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE A COMPONENT FOR MATCHING FUNDS FROM EMPLOYERS TO LEVERAGE THEIR DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS? THERE IS ACTUALLY A STATE FUND.

THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROGRAM THAT IS THAT IS A PAID INTERNSHIP PROGRAM THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY THE REPORTING BOARD, WHERE WE GO IN AND RECRUIT EMPLOYERS AND THEY AND THEY STEP UP TO NOT JUST HIRING INTERNS THAT ARE IN THAT PROGRAM, BUT ALSO STEP UP WITH THE STIPEND TO HELP MATCH THE THE STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAT GO INTO THAT PROGRAM.

SO THERE ARE SOME MODELS IN PLACE THAT CLEARLY WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

AS THE CHANCELLOR HAS OUTLINED, THIS IS AN EXCITING RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE AND PUT MORE FUNDS BEHIND THESE WORKER'S LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH WE KNOW ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND OF COURSE, THE NEXT ONE REALLY LOOKS AT OUR ROLE IN OUR RAPID RESPONSE OF SERVING BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY AND SUPPORTING PROGRAMS IN HIGH DEMAND FIELDS.

SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE DID WITH THE TRU PROGRAM, THAT WE'VE GOT SOME PROGRAMS THAT ARE PART OF THAT, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE STATE LOOKING TO SUPPORT AND FUND RAPID RESPONSE.

AND SO THIS REALLY BUILDS ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE OFTENTIMES, AGAIN, GIVEN OUR SIZE AND OUR RESOURCES, WE CAN KIND OF STEP OUT THERE AND TRY SOME THINGS THAT MAY BE NEW.

YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE SMALL RURAL INSTITUTIONS THAT THE OUR RESOURCE CHALLENGED, AND THAT'S DIFFICULT TO DO.

SO THIS HELPS RECOGNIZE THAT BY INVESTING SOME SOME DOLLARS INTO THIS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD SUPPORT THOSE HIGH DEMAND FIELDS OF PROGRAMS WITHIN THOSE.

NO, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THIS IS ANOTHER KEY RECOMMENDATION AND ONE THAT WE CAN BUILD OUT WITH EXPERIENCE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE CORNING BOARD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IMPLEMENTING TO FUND THE TRUE PROGRAMS THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS BUILDING WORKFORCE EDUCATION CAPACITY.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME SHIFTING IN VARIOUS OCCUPATIONAL FIELDS AS A RESULT OF THE OF THE PANDEMIC THAT WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED.

AND THEREFORE, IN SOME CASES, OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES WANT THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF RETOOL THEIR WORKFORCE EDUCATION, NOT JUST TO SUPPORT EXISTING WORKFORCE, THEIR TRAINING OR CAREER TRAINING EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO TO EXPAND AND MOVE INTO DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE KNOW OCCUPATIONAL NEEDS HAVE SHIFTED OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

AND THEN THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION GETS TO SUPPORTING COLLABORATION AMONGST INSTITUTIONS AND INCENTIVIZING THAT IN NEW WAYS.

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WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE SMALL RURAL INSTITUTIONS ABOUT JOINING IN THAT EFFORT BECAUSE AGAIN, GIVEN OUR SIZE AND SCOPE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THAT WE LOOK LIKE.

AND, YOU KNOW, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND THEY WERE MORE INSTITUTION CENTRIC, THEY THEY DIDN'T JOIN AND COME ALONG IN THAT EFFORT.

YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY GETS TO IT GETS TO THE HEART OF THAT.

HOW CAN INSTITUTIONS LEVERAGE ONE ANOTHER AND INCENTIVIZE THAT TYPE OF COLLABORATION AMONGST SERVICES AND OTHER THINGS THAT THAT HELPS BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT STATE DOLLARS, AGAIN, SEEM TO BE? THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

I RECALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO THE SENATOR WAS STILL IN THE LEGISLATURE THERE WHEN THE BASS BILL WAS FILED.

THERE WERE A FEW COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT WERE FUNDED.

THEY WERE THEY WERE DEFUNDED IN THAT.

AND THAT REALLY STARTED A CONVERSATION ABOUT CONSOLIDATING COLLEGES.

WHAT WAS THAT LIST? THAT WAS TEXAS.

TEXAS, YES. NO, THE SENATOR'S DISTRICT.

AND THAT REALLY SPURRED A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.

SO YOU FAST FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION.

NOW. IT REALLY GETS TO GETS TO THE CORE OF THAT.

HOW CAN INSTITUTIONS BE MORE EFFICIENT? HOW CAN THEY COLLABORATE AND INCENTIVIZE THAT COLLABORATION IS? WELL, WOULDN'T THAT IN SOME WAYS PROVIDE AN AVENUE FOR US TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTION TO OUT-OF-COUNTY STUDENTS IF WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER THE TERMINOLOGY IS WITH A RURAL INSTITUTION? GOOD. WELL, I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE SCHOOL FINANCE FIXES THAT YOU GOT TO RESIGN IN THE IOC SPACE WAS IT PROBABLY WON'T BE JUST FOR WITH PROPERTY FOR DISTRICTS TO BUT NOT TAKING MONEY FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

RIGHT. THE SAD THING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS IT'S WHAT THEY CALL ROBIN HOOD, BECAUSE THE WEALTHY DISTRICTS GIVE TO THE POOR DISTRICTS AND THE POOR DISTRICTS BENEFIT.

THAT'S NOT IN THIS PLAN AT ALL.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO TAKING FROM A GUY FROM A DALLAS COLLEGE AND GIVING IT TO A TO A RURAL DISTRICT.

I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PRIMARY PURPOSES OF THIS WHOLE COMMISSION WAS NOT TO DO WHAT THEY DID MANY YEARS AGO IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN WHAT WE CALL COMMON, WE CALL ROBIN HOOD TAKE FROM THE RICH AND GIVE IT TO THE POOR.

THAT THAT'S NOT A PHILOSOPHY THAT HAS AS WELL.

THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, THIS BOARD'S HAD DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS ABOUT CUTS TO TERRITORIAL SERVICE PROVISION, AND WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENTS IN PLACE ON THAT. BUT I THINK THE CONCERN OF THE BOARD SAID IS WE'RE 50% FUNDED BY THE END OF THE WORLD PROPERTY TAX BASE OF DALLAS COUNTY, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF FULL REIMBURSEMENT TO PROTECT OUR TAXPAYERS AND ASSURE THEM THAT WE'RE USING THEIR RESOURCES FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.

BUT IF THE IDEA IS THE STATE IS GOING TO HAVE A ROLE IN HELPING US COVER OUR COSTS OF EXTRATERRITORIAL SERVICE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND IT'S YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT MANDATED.

IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ALL VOLUNTARY, NOT MANDATED.

YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE.

IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT BUT YEAH, BUT THE STATE STATE'S GOING TO HAVE TO.

EXACTLY. HAVE TO MAKE THE LOCAL PROPERTY TAX PAYERS WHOLE IF WE GET OUTSIDE OUR SERVICE AREA, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT DOES OPEN THE DOOR A POSSIBILITY. AND THEN I'LL HAVE THIS NEXT RECOMMENDATION.

ALSO, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF NONCREDIT.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT AROUND HERE.

I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT DRIVES ME CRAZY WHEN WHEN YOU GET A BUNCH OF HIGHER ED LEADERS TOGETHER AND PEOPLE START SAYING, HOW'S YOUR ENROLLMENT? MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CREDIT ENROLLMENT.

AND THAT IS A IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE DO.

BUT WE HAVE THIS WHOLE OTHER PART THAT LARGELY STATE POLICY HAS NOT FULLY RECOGNIZED OR SUPPORTED THE INVESTMENTS.

AND WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE NECESSARY SERVICES AND PROGRAMS FOR SO MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND SO THIS SEEKS TO TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND INVEST IN IN NONCREDIT AND RECOGNIZE NONCREDIT.

NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO TO RAISE HARD THAT HE'S WORKED ON FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE ARE SOME SOME DATA CHALLENGES AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH WITH THEM THAT THEY SHOULD.

YEAH, JUST VERY QUICKLY.

AND FIRST OF ALL, IT'S VERY EXCITING THAT THIS NEW FUNDING PROPOSE FUNDING FOR THE PERFORMANCE AND OUTCOMES.

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RIGHT. SO ON THE ACADEMIC OR WORKFORCE TRAINING SIDE, BUT ALSO TO PAY FOR CREDENTIALING THAT OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES DO ACROSS THE STATE ON THE NONCREDIT SIDE, THAT IS, THAT IS TRULY TRANSFORMATIVE.

THE PROBLEM THERE IS, THE CHANCELLOR SAYS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM IN PLACE TODAY TO COLLECT THE CREDENTIALING THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE NONCREDIT SIDE FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES ACROSS THE STATE.

AND IT'S JUST IT'S A FACT.

AND IT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEALT WITH AS WELL.

AND I'M SURE THE COORDINATING BOARD WILL COME UP WITH A SYSTEM, CORRECT? THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

EXACTLY. AND WE ARE AT THE TABLE.

TAC IS AT THE TABLE WITH THEM FOR LEADERSHIP, WITH THE CHANCELLOR AND OTHER CHANCES AND PRESIDENTS FROM ACROSS THE STATE THAT ARE MEMBERS OF TAC.

WE ARE AT THE TABLE TALKING TO THEM, COORDINATING BOARD STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET OUR ARMS AROUND GETTING THIS DATA IN AND START TO GET IT IN ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S GOING TO FEED A NEW OUTCOMES BASED FUNDING FOR NEW GOOD.

AND IT'S EVEN BEEN A CHALLENGE AND SOMETHING THAT THAT GENTLEMAN SORT OF TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY SYSTEM AND PLATFORM.

IT'S A CHALLENGE JUST FROM.

FOR US MOVING FROM SEVEN INTO ONE WHERE THERE WERE DATA GAPS ON THE NON CREDIT SIDE THAT WE HAD NOT ALWAYS FULLY CAPTURED ALL OF THAT.

AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE CHALLENGE OF SEVEN.

THEN YOU TAKE ALL 50.

BUT IT IS EVERYONE RECOGNIZES, I THINK, THE DEPTH OF THAT CHALLENGE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A STATE CROSSWALK IS? I MEAN, I MEAN, MY PERCEPTION OF THIS AREA IS THAT WE'RE DELIVERING A LOT OF NONCREDIT CLASSES THAT ARE DEFINED BY INDUSTRY, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID ANYTHING TO THE STATE OR IT'S EVEN BEING RECOGNIZED.

RIGHT. AND I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER DONE SO SAYING THAT THOSE NONCREDIT THINGS SHOULD INFORM OR CONSIDERED AS PART OF AN ACADEMIC CREDENTIAL OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS A COMPETENCY. RIGHT.

WHAT IS A CROSSWALK AND WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS ARE YOU TRYING TO BUILD HERE? YEAH, THE CROSSWALK IS THAT IF SOMEBODY ENROLLS IN A NONCREDIT COURSE, A CONTINUING EDUCATION COURSE TO UPSKILL AND RESKILL QUICKLY, LET'S SAY A PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH INDUSTRY, IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST PRETEND THAT TO BE A PHLEBOTOMIST, SOMEBODY GOES IN, IT'S USUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT BEFORE THE PHLEBOTOMIST IS WITH THE FOLKS THAT DRY YOUR BLOOD AT A LAB.

RIGHT? SO IF THAT WERE JUST A RESKILLING AND UPSKILLING AND SOMEBODY TOOK THAT FOR NONCREDIT TO GET THAT SKILL AND BE ABLE TO GET HIRES OF LOBOTOMIES, THAT THEN DECIDED.

BUT I WANT A FULL CAREER IN THE HEALTH CARE IN THE HEALTH INDUSTRY.

I WANT TO BE A NURSE, FOR EXAMPLE.

WELL, WHAT THEY DID ON THE NONCREDIT SIDE TO LEARN HOW TO BE A PHLEBOTOMIST AND SAY OUGHT TO COUNT.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CROSSWALK IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT THAT STUDENT CREDIT FOR PRIOR LEARNING OR FOR COMPETENCY BASED HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT ACRONYMS THAT GO ACROSS THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

BUT WE CAN BUILD A CROSSWALK, A CONSISTENT CROSSWALK, SO THAT ANY STUDENT THAT ENROLLS IN OUR INSTITUTIONS THAT THAT ENROLLS AND THEY CONTINUE TO HEAD COURSE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY HAVE TO QUICKLY UPSKILL OR RESKILL.

BUT THEN A YEAR OR TWO LATER OR A MONTH OR TWO LATER DECIDE THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO GO INTO A WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAM THAT'S FOR CREDIT OR AN ACADEMIC PROGRAM.

THAT EXPERIENCE SHOULD SIT ON THE SHELF.

IT OUGHT TO BE WE OUGHT TO FIND A WAY TO TRANSFER OR TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO ACADEMIC INTO INTO COLLEGE CREDITS, WHETHER IT'S FOR WORKFORCE TRAINING OR FOR ACADEMIC.

I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. OUR CURRENT ACCREDITATION AGENCY IS SACHSE.

ARE THEY SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING NONACADEMIC CREDIT AND HAVING TO APPLY TO ACADEMIC? I THINK WE'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE OUR CREDITORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ENCOURAGING INNOVATION, THIS VERY TYPE OF INNOVATION.

SO I WOULD SAY MY MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE AN ENTHUSIASTIC.

YES. THANK YOU, SIR.

SO THE COMMISSION HAS SPENT ALL THIS TIME DOING RESEARCH.

THERE'S BEEN TESTIMONY.

THERE'S BEEN ANALYSIS.

AND I THINK THEY PUT TOGETHER A REPORT THAT WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD OF AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT WE SHOULD FULL THROATED GIVE OUR FULL THROATED SUPPORT TO.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN IN JANUARY AS WE MOVE INTO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS SPARROW HAS A CRYSTAL BALL.

EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK BOTH MY COLLEAGUES HERE CAN TELL YOU THAT WE EXPECT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE PRETTY BROAD BASED SUPPORT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT SORT OF SEVERITY.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE OF THINGS.

ABSOLUTELY. SO FIRST, LET ME JUST SAY THAT IT IS 45 YEARS SINCE COMMUNITY COLLEGES STARTED GETTING THEIR FUNDING, AND IT'S BEEN THE SAME FOR 45 YEARS.

AND IT WAS TIME TO THROW THAT MODEL OUT AND START OVER AGAIN.

AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WHAT THIS COMMISSION HAS DONE IS TRANSFORMATIVE.

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THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

AND THAT'S 20 YEARS IN THE SENATE AND TEN YEARS AS CHAIR OF HIRING AND PERMIT.

SO I'M VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT'S A CREDIT TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND THE CHANCELLORS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND HAVE STEADFASTLY WORKED THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND SAID, YES, WE CAN ACCEPT THIS.

NO, WE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE TRENCHES AND THEY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, THAT THIS DOCUMENT NOW IS GOING TO BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT THAT YOU AND I HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, THAT YOU AS TRUSTEES ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THIS DOCUMENT AND MARCH THROUGH THE CAPITOL AND GET SUPPORT FROM YOUR DELEGATIONS. IT'S GOING TO BE IMPERATIVE THAT YOU BECOME A PART OF THAT.

AND CLIFF'S HEARD ME SAY THIS TO THE TRUSTEES AT A STATE CONFERENCE.

YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

THEY'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU A WHOLE LOT QUICKER THEN THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO ME AS A AS A LOBBYIST OR EVEN AS A CEO BECAUSE THEY TRUST YOU.

YOU'RE NOT DOING IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN IT.

SO YOUR ENGAGEMENT AND YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS STARTING IN JANUARY, IS GOING TO BE IMPERATIVE.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL AN EDUCATION, THE THREE, THE THREE R'S.

IT USED TO BE READING, WRITING AND ARITHMETIC.

IT'S RELATIONSHIPS, RELATIONSHIPS, RELATIONSHIPS.

YOU KNOW, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN AUSTIN STARTING IN JANUARY.

SO YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL OR THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL TO MAKE THIS PROCESS WORK.

SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE SKEPTICAL.

THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT YOU WITH A JAUNDICED EYE AND SAY, WELL, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THIS TO ME? WHY ARE YOU CHANGING? WE SHOULD KEEP THE STATUS QUO.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THIS TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE IS GOING TO BENEFIT ALL STUDENTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND YOU'RE HERE TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU POSSIBLY COULD NEED TO GO INTO THOSE OFFICES, TALK TO STAFF, TALK TO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT YOU KNOW, AND MAKE THE CASE FOR WHY THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME AND THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS KIND OF THING FOR YEARS.

I SAID TO BILL EARLIER, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY? IT'S DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM AND WE FINALLY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT.

AND I WILL I WILL VENTURE TO TELL YOU THAT YOUR ACCESS TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE STATE LEVEL WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS DRAMATIC CHANGE.

YES, SIR. DO WE SENSE THIS IS BIPARTISAN, HISTORIC? ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE NO NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT IT'S ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

NONE WHATSOEVER.

IN FACT, THE STORY I HEAR AND HOPEFULLY IT'S TRUE, IS THAT THE HOUSE IS ALREADY GEARING UP TO GET 100 SIGNATURES BEFORE THE BILLS WHEN THE BILL IS FILED, WHICH WOULD BE SPECTACULAR. MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER AND MAKE ALL OF OUR JOBS EASIER.

BUT BUT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF SKEPTICS OUT THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT DOES IT DO TO MY DISTRICT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY SEE THE NUMBERS? IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH WITH THE WITH THE K 12 AND WE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED K 12 INTO AN OUTCOMES, A LOT OF OUTCOMES BASED FUNDING.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A COMMITMENT UNTIL I KNOW WHAT IT DOES TO MY DISTRICT.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GET ALL THOSE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE.

BUT ADDING $650 MILLION IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO EVERY DISTRICT, EVEN IF THERE ARE A FEW OUTLIERS.

AND WE DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE VERY MANY IF THERE ARE SOME.

THAT'S WHERE THIS TEMPORARY HOLD HARMLESS PIECE WILL COME IN AND KEEP THEM WHOLE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TILL THEY GET OUT OF THAT OUT OF THAT SPACE.

BUT YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BE A BENEFICIARY WHEN YOU'VE GOT $650 MILLION AND THERE MAY BE MORE THAN THAT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY ONE MORE THING AND THEN I'LL LET YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS SO ESSENTIAL AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, WE'VE NEVER HAD A TIME WHERE WORKFORCE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT IS TODAY.

NEVER. NO ONE'S EVER DISCUSSED IT AS IT RELATES TO EDUCATION.

LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

WORKFORCE AND EDUCATION WERE NEVER IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

NOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT.

AND WHO BETTER WHO IS BETTER SUITED TO DO WORKFORCE THAN THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES? NO ONE. SO YOU HAVE A REAL CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT A REALLY POSITIVE ONE.

IT'S A GREAT STORY TO TELL.

AND WITH YOUR HELP AND THE HELP OF TRUSTEES AROUND THE STATE, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A REALITY.

YES. WELL, I WAS GOING TO GET YOU, IF YOU WOULD COMMENT, BECAUSE TO ME, ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO OCCUR, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WORLD IN HEALTH

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I THINK THAT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT I FIND IN COLLEGES, IS THAT WE WHICH MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS EXPECTED.

SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ROLE IN HOW WE ASSIST, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST RUBS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE THE LITTLE GUYS ARE JUST NEVER GETTING ENOUGH AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T.

SO I'D BE INTERESTED HOW YOU SEE THAT A COLLEGE LIKE DALLAS COLLEGE, WE CAN MAKE THIS REALLY SUCCESSFUL BY STEPPING UP AND HELPING THE SMALLER COLLEGES LEVERAGE THEIR FEW DOLLARS MORE.

THEY GET TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE AT SHARED SERVICES.

SHARED SERVICES.

TO ME IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A ROLE IN, AND IT DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR FREE.

SHARED SERVICES DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OFFERED BY US FOR FREE.

AND TODAY, IN OUR EARLIER MEETING, WE MADE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY MASTERED TO A DEGREE THAT IF WE SHARED THAT WITH OTHERS FOR A FEE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET MORE MONEY TO PAY FOR SERVICES, THEN IT HELPS DEFRAY OUR COST OF WHAT WE DID WITH R&D.

SO I JUST INTERESTED BECAUSE YOU REALLY SEE THE VALUE OF THE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THE VALUE IS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE VALUE IS GOING TO BE WITH THOSE SMALLER COLLEGES THAT CAN'T DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND THEY NEED THAT ASSISTANCE. SO IF YOU DO IT AND YOU DO IT WELL, WHY NOT HELP? I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE.

ONE OF THE ONE OF RECOMMENDATIONS YOU GUYS DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AND I THINK MADE IT IN THE FINAL VERSION WAS A RECOGNITION THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN STUDENT POPULATIONS THAT ARE HARDER TO EDUCATE AND COST MORE.

AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU THINK THAT WOULD EVOLVE IN THE LEGISLATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS COLLEGE AND SEVERAL TRUSTEES HAVE HAD A DEEP CONCERN ABOUT THE ROLE THAT WE AS A COLLEGE PLAY IN OUTCOMES FOR FOSTER CARE, CHILDREN AND JUSTICE INVOLVED KIDS AND EVEN THE POPULATION WE SERVE AND THE AGE DEMOGRAPHIC.

AND WE WERE IDEALLY SUITED TO INNOVATE AROUND THOSE TWO FAILED SYSTEMS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE LEGISLATION? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROACTIVELY BRING? IS DALLAS COLLEGE IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION AS PROOF POINTS ABOUT HOW COLLABORATION AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO WELL COULD BETTER SERVE THESE KIDS? AND AND HOW DO YOU SEE US PARTICIPATING IN THAT? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

LET ME SHARE WITH YOU AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS AND I MEAN THIS VERY SINCERELY.

WHEN DALLAS COLLEGE STEPS UP TO THE DAIS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.

OTHER MEMBERS OF THE OF THE OF THE LEGISLATURE ROLL THEIR EYES BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER A TIME THE DALLAS COLLEGE COMES UP THAT THEY'RE NOT SAYING SOMETHING POSITIVE AND ALWAYS WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS.

OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SIT AT THE DAIS AND WE LISTEN TO PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK, THEY SPEAK ABOUT HOW WOE IS ME, HOW TERRIBLE THINGS ARE.

WHY DOESN'T THE STATE DO THIS? WHY THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS FROM DALLAS COLLEGE.

THEY COME FORWARD WITH IDEAS, WITH NEW IDEAS, WITH CREATIVE THINGS, SO THAT OTHERS LEARN FROM YOU.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU CAN DO.

YOU CAN BRING TO THE TABLE IS THAT POSITIVE ATTITUDE AND THAT AND THOSE THINGS THAT YOU DO HERE THAT YOU DO BEST THAT NO ONE ELSE DOES.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO COME FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TIME FOR INNOVATION.

WE'VE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INNOVATION.

WE'VE BEEN TREADING WATER FOR SO LONG.

WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO INNOVATE.

NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO INNOVATE.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TOUCH ON THOSE TWO POPULATIONS SPECIFICALLY OR I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE RECOGNITION OF 1.2 FROM THE COMMISSION WOULD WOULD SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE FACT THAT THAT THE 12 MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE A STRONG CONSENSUS AROUND THE NEED FOR THE STATE TO PROVIDE INCENTIVE FUNDING, IF YOU WILL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM FOR CERTAIN POPULATIONS THAT WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY IN AN OUTCOMES OR PERFORMANCE BASED MODEL, MAY BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO GET THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL PIPELINE FOR THE POST-SECONDARY PIPELINE.

STUDENTS THAT COME FROM LOW INCOME FAMILIES, ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS, STUDENTS THAT ARE ACADEMICALLY DISADVANTAGED ARE JUST NOT FULLY COLLEGE READY WHEN THEY WHEN THEY ENROLL IN POST-SECONDARY AND ALSO NONTRADITIONAL STUDENTS, WHICH OF COURSE WE KNOW.

I'M SURE DALLAS COLLEGE HAS A VERY STRONG FOOTPRINT OF NONTRADITIONAL, PERHAPS MORE ADULT LEARNER STUDENTS.

THOSE THOSE CATEGORIES OF THESE ARE UNDERSERVED CATEGORIES OF STUDENTS THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AND PROACTIVELY TRYING TO SERVE.

AND THE STATE UNDER THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT ON TOP OF THE FOUR PRIMARY METRICS THAT ARE PROPOSED, THAT WOULD DRIVE THE 20 AGAIN,

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THOSE ARE THE FOUR PRIMARY DRIVERS THAT THE CHANCELLOR OUTLINED IN ONE OF HIS FIRST SLIDES.

THIS THE RECOMMENDATION.

THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO GIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR IN-STATE FOR COLLEGES THAT WOULD THAT WOULD DO A BETTER JOB OF EDUCATING THOSE PARTICULAR UNDERSERVED STUDENT POPULATIONS, ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED ACADEMIC DISADVANTAGE AND NONTRADITIONAL STUDENTS.

THEY DON'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE POPULATIONS THAT YOU THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED, BUT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IN MY OPINION, AND WHAT THE RATES WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO, HOW THAT FUNDING WOULD COME OUT.

ALL OF THAT, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE JUST HAVE WHAT ANY DAY NOW WILL BE A FINAL REPORT FROM, ACCORDING TO THE BOARD, FROM THESE COMMISSIONERS.

THE LEGISLATURE, AND AS THE CHANCELLOR HAS POINTED OUT IN SEPTEMBER.

SHAPIRO THEN IT MOVES THAT TOWARD THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

IT'S GOT TO BE DRAFTED INTO BILL, AND SOME OF IT WILL GO INTO THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT YET.

BUT THAT'S THE NEXT CHALLENGE.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT AND THE AND THE STRONG UNITY THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW AMONGST CHANCELLOR LUHMANN AND HIS COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STATE.

OTHER PRESIDENTS AND CHANCELLORS FOR THE ENTHUSIASM THAT WE FEEL ABOUT THE OVERALL PACKAGE.

AND I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE AND DEPEND UPON THE LEADERSHIP OF FOLKS LIKE CHANCELLOR LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HELP US TO CARRY THIS THING FORWARD, TO CARRY FORWARD THAT SUCCESS. WELL, I'LL SAY THAT I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND AS WE WORK ON THE SPECIFICS ALONG THE WAY, WE ARE HOW ARE YOU BETTER PREPARED THAN THAN MANY INSTITUTIONS BECAUSE OF OUR CONSOLIDATION, BECAUSE OF OUR INVESTMENT IN STUDENT SERVICES, BECAUSE OF OUR FOCUS ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES AND OUR FOCUS ON OUTCOMES.

I'LL REMIND YOU THAT AGAIN, A DOZEN OR SO YEARS AGO, WHEN THE STATE STARTED THE STUDENT SUCCESS POINTS, WE TOOK THAT AND BROUGHT THAT IN INTERNAL.

AND WE'VE DOUBLED THAT INCENTIVE WITH OUR THEN SEVEN COLLEGES TO FOCUS MORE ON OUTCOMES.

AND SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE DOUBLED DOWN IN OUR CONSOLIDATION TO DO THAT.

SO SO I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE POSITIONED WELL AS THIS IS FINALLY DEVELOPED.

AND SO SO AGAIN, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS HISTORIC CONVERSATION AND INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT WE ALL HAVE BEEN NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT NOW THERE'S BROAD RECOGNITION.

SO WHO'S SUPPOSED TO OFFER THE BILL? WELL, WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE ON THE COMMISSION, THEY PICK SOMEBODY WHO'S A LEGISLATOR THAT'S ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL THE DETAILS NOW.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE HEARD WE DON'T HAVE IT UNTIL SOMEBODY ACTUALLY FILES IT.

AS YOU WELL KNOW, GARY VANDIVER, WHO IS A HOUSE MEMBER, WHO IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE AREA, AND ALSO HE'S ALSO ON APPROPRIATIONS, WHICH HELPS. AND THEN BRANDON CREIGHTON, WHO'S THE SENATOR, AND HE CHAIRS HIGHER ED AND PUPPET IN THE SENATE.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TWO REALLY STRONG PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY ENGAGED AND THAT WILL HELP AS WELL.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO START TALKING TO OUR LEGISLATORS ALREADY? TOMORROW WOULD BE GREAT TONIGHT.

I MEAN, TONIGHT WE COULD.

AND SO ON. ON THAT NOTE, ALSO PROBABLY MINDFUL OF TIME, MR. CHAIR, BUT ALSO IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKET OR A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK IN DECEMBER AND ASK FOR YOU TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON A FORMAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA? THAT CERTAINLY STARTS WITH SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE FINANCE COMMISSION, THE BROADER RECOMMENDATIONS OF TAC, AND THEN TO ADD A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE UNIQUE TO US.

ONE OF THOSE IS AROUND OUR SBDC SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS THAT WE ADMINISTER ON BEHALF OF 45 COUNTIES IN THIS REGION TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS.

IT'S A BIT IT'S A BIT UNIQUE.

WE'RE THE ONLY COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THE STATE THAT SUPPORTS SBDC.

THE OTHER THREE ACROSS THE STATE ARE UNIVERSITIES, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S TREATED AS A SPECIAL ITEM.

SO WHEN WE HAVE TO DO OUR LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION REQUEST THAT'S TREATED AS A SPECIAL ITEM AND SPECIAL ITEMS ARE GENERALLY OUR BAD WORDS OUT OF THE PINK GO CAPITAL.

SOMETIMES BECAUSE UNIVERSITIES USE THAT, THEY HAVE TO USE THAT AS A MECHANISM TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS WITH US.

THIS IS ABOUT SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT, BUT WE HAVE ASKED FOR ABOUT AN INITIAL $500,000 TO SUPPORT THAT PDC WORK.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE MR. THOSE OPERATIONS OUT OF OUR BILL JAY PRIEST CENTER JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT I'LL ASK YOU TO SUPPORT.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE, JUST A BROAD GENERAL ONE AROUND LOCAL CONTROL.

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BUT SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IS BECAUSE OF INVESTMENT OF OUR TAXPAYERS.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL MAINTAIN THE ABILITY TO TO SET THIS WORK.

LET ME JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT ON TO THAT TAX TAX BASE OF ALL OF THE TAXING ENTITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DIDN'T GET A CAP.

KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THAT WAS THEY DID NOT GET A CAP PUT ON THEM.

WAS THAT GOOD LOBBYISTS OR SOMETHING? WELL, I WAS THERE. IT TOOK A LOT MORE THAN JUST ONE LOBBYIST.

BUT BUT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DIDN'T FOR THE VERY REASON THAT THE CHANCELLOR JUST SAID WE HAVE THE LOW OF ALL THE TAX RATES.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL, AS EVERYBODY ALWAYS DOES, COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE THE SMALLEST, MAYBE A HOSPITAL DISTRICT OR ALL WATER DISTRICT IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN ONE.

BUT AND YET LOOK AT THE WORK THEY DO.

I MEAN, IT'S HUGE.

SO WE HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET WE DON'T GET A CAP OF CAN.

WE HAD A ROLLBACK BY OPERATION OF STATE LAW IN OUR TAX RATE THIS BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE A GROUP OF TEENAGERS DIDN'T THINK SO.

SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT IN THE CAP CITIES THE CITIES.

TREMENDOUSLY. YEAH.

BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD NOT HAVE LOWERED OUR TAX RATE BUT FOR STATE LAW.

SO WE. AM I RIGHT? I MEAN, DON. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT WE DID BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME LIMITING CAP THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY AND THEY HAD OTHER ARTIFICIAL THAN ADDITIONAL CAPS ON THAT.

OKAY. YEAH.

WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IN THIS OFFSET DECIDED THEY MIGHT GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO SO AGAIN, I'LL COME BACK WITH THE FULL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR DALLAS COLLEGE.

BUT JUST TO FLORES'S POINT, YEAH, WE START THE CONVERSATION NOW AND WE HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY STAFF ENGAGING WITH LEGISLATORS AROUND THOSE AND WE HAVE GREAT CHAMPIONS IN OUR DELEGATION HERE THAT WE EXPECT TO BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

AND THEN THE SESSION KICKS OFF IN JANUARY, ON JANUARY 26TH, THIS COMMUNITY COLLEGE DAY IN AUSTIN.

SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT TO TAKE STUDENTS DOWN THERE, AND WE OFTEN DO.

AND SOME OF YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THAT IN THE PAST.

AND SO WE WILL I HOPE YOU CAN IN JANUARY AS WELL.

BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THESE TWO TAKING TIME TO TO COME HERE, COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DALLAS IN THE FILL UP FROM FROM AUSTIN TO SPEND TIME WITH US.

BUT THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND ALSO THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE, AS RAY INDICATED, WE WANT TO SHOW THAT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE RALLYING TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS.

THERE ARE DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAVE AMONGST THE 50 OF US, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BAND TOGETHER.

AND WE CERTAINLY HEARD THAT FROM THE COMMISSION AND HEARD THAT FROM THE LEGISLATORS THAT WE ARE UNIFIED IN OUR EFFORT IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE TO TO DEMONSTRATE JUST THAT.

AND AGAIN, I JUST SAY US GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH THE KAT GROUP WITH A TRUSTEE ORGANIZATION IS EVEN MORE CRITICAL IN YEARS PAST, EVEN BECAUSE OUR CHAIRMAN SAID ON THAT COMMISSION.

AND SO WE HAD A DIRECT INPUT.

AND WHEN WE AND I SIT ON THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE AND WE WORKED HARD, WE WENT LINE ITEM BY ITEM, WE WORKED A LOT OF WORK, WENT INTO WHAT SHE THEN CARRIED BACK TO HER SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THE ORGANIZATION DOES HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD FUNCTION.

AND WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO BE INVOLVED AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE OUR WE'VE GOT TO BE SAYING WHAT WE WON'T SAY OR SOMEBODY ELSE SAY IT FOR HER OR MISINTERPRET.

THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. GREAT. GREAT, GREAT.

FROM. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME GAVELS AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW. THE JUDGE IS IMPORTANT.

CERTAINLY AN EGO BOOST FOR.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE.

[4.2. Strategic IT Modernization Program]

MODERNIZATION PROGRAMS.

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YES, I WILL INTRODUCE JIMMY CARTER, WHO IS OUR CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER, AND HE WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THERE'S A LOT HE'S GOING TO COVER.

AND SO DON'T FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GETTING TO BRAIN OVERLOAD.

IT'S OKAY. WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON A LOT OF DETAILS AS WE GO ALONG.

BUT JIM DOES HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING OVER TODAY, GOING OVER WITH YOU ON THE DAY.

AND JUST REALIZE WE WILL BE COMING BACK AND WE GET SPECIFICS ON SOME OF THE THINGS.

JIM, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I WANTED TO COVER OBVIOUSLY GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR WORKDAY PROGRESS.

AND I'LL KEEP IT AT A HIGH LEVEL AND DO MY VERY BEST NOT TO PUT YOU TO SLEEP WITH TECHIE TALK.

SO WE'LL START WITH THAT.

I THINK THE ONE THING I LOOKED AT IS THIS A VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO A NEW COLLEGE AND I CALL IT COMING INTO A NEW COLLEGE.

I KNOW EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A LONG EXPERIENCE WITH SEVEN COLLEGES IN A DISTRICT OFFICE.

AND SO FOR ME, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE WAS TO START AND GET CLOSE TO THE STUDENTS AND WORK AT A BRAND NEW INSTITUTION THAT'S EFFECTIVELY FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT'S IN MANY WAYS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE.

AND SO PART OF THIS PLAN WILL IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ENABLING US TO OPERATE AT THAT NEW INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL.

THAT'S REALLY QUITE A LARGE ENTERPRISE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 120,000 STUDENTS, IT'S REALLY THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS AND THE HR SYSTEMS AND THE BUSINESS PROCESSES ALL CHANGE.

THEY ALL THEY ALL CHANGE BECAUSE THEY WERE DESIGNED TO OPERATE AT LOCAL LEVELS AND NOW THEY'RE OPERATING CONVENTIONAL.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE. AND SO I THINK.

SOUNDS LIKE AN IDEA. BOOM.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO I REALLY CAN'T DO THIS THING NOW, IF THAT'S THE THING.

ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT? I JUST WANT TO LAY OUT UPFRONT ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK TO OR DISCUSS TO.

AND BUT WE'LL START WITH THE WORK DAY AND WE'LL DO A FEW SLIDES ON WORKDAY AND THEN WE'LL GO VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THROUGH THE REST AND THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO START OUT WITH THE WHY.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS ANYWAY? WHY ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT WE ARE SPENDING ON WORKDAY? THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE CRITICAL FIRST STEP.

AND IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT THE STUDENTS.

IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT THE STUDENTS.

IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT MAKING BETTER DECISIONS WITH THE DATA THAT WE GET AND THAT WE HAVE.

AND IT'S MAKING IT EASIER FOR OUR STUDENTS TO WORK.

THE CURRENT ERP SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES, WAS DESIGNED MANY, MANY MOONS AGO.

THE OPERATING SYSTEM WAS ACTUALLY CREATED AT DARTMOUTH OVER 50 YEARS AGO.

RIGHT. SO THAT THAT DIFFERENCE, THAT DELTA COMING TO A SAST SOLUTION ENABLES US TO STAY CURRENT ON A RECURRING BASIS, GOING TO A CLOUD MODEL FOR OUR HARDWARE.

AND ESSENTIALLY I CALL IT GETTING OUT OF THE HARDWARE BUSINESS REDUCES OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS.

I'VE USED THE EXAMPLE IS WHEN WE ROLLED OUT COLLEAGUE, WE HAD TO ROLL OUT ALSO THE HARDWARE IMPLEMENTATION WHEN I WAS IN NORTH CAROLINA, YOU HAVE 58 COLLEAGUES AND IF YOU HAD TO SHIP SERVERS, ROUTING RACKS, ALL THAT HARDWARE HAD TO BE SHIPPED TO ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS.

THEY HAD TO ALREADY BE BUILT UP.

AND IT TOOK TIME AND IT TOOK ENERGY AND THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN IT.

RIGHT. OUR OUR OUR NEW ERP SYSTEM ALREADY EXISTS.

IT ALREADY EXISTS.

WE'RE JUST CONFIGURING IT THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO WORK FOR US AND WORK AND ENABLE OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES.

SO THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.

SO A LOT OF FOLKS REMEMBER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF COLLEGE.

I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME WHO DO, AND THIS IS VERY PAINFUL MEMORIES AND THEY NEVER GO AWAY, RIGHT? SO WHAT I ASK YOU TO DO IS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE WILL ROLL OUT THE HR AND THE FINANCIAL MODULES OF OF OF WORKDAY, FEBRUARY, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THAT SYSTEM ALREADY HAS EXISTED ALREADY IS UP AND RUNNING.

WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSES OF MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SET FOR US AND THE DATA MOVES WITH US.

AND THAT'S THE KEY.

H.R. AND WHAT HR AND FINANCE H.R.

SO THE HR MODULES AND THE FINANCIAL MODULES.

SO WE'VE MADE HIGHLIGHTS.

I THINK I'LL POINT OUT THAT THE ADVANTAGES IS AND FOR ME THIS IS I THINK IS REALLY KEY IS THE SECURITY COMPONENT.

A LOT OF THE SECURITY COMES BAKED IN TODAY.

WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THE SECURITY OURSELVES.

AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO MAINTAIN PACE WHEN THE SECURITY THREAT IS REALLY MOVING FASTER THAN WE ARE.

SO IT'S REALLY A BIG, BIG THING.

THESE STUDENT DATA SOURCES ARE ALL IN ONE DASHBOARD.

NONETHELESS, NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEARTS, YOU'VE BEEN WANTING THIS INFORMATION AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE FORM IN A REPORTING FORM, AND I THINK THAT'S CUTE.

AND THEN THE SPEED OF BRINGING STUDENTS ON BOARD, ONCE WE ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THE STUDENT MODULE, THAT REGISTRATION AND GETTING THEM ON BOARD PROCESS IS MUCH FASTER THAN THAN

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WHAT KIND OF DATA DO WE HAVE, IF ANY, AT DALLAS COLLEGE? WE'RE NOT IN A WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A LOT EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE NURSES, THE NURSING WE DO HAVE NURSES.

I'VE ACTUALLY DISCOVERED THIS AND AND ALSO IN SOME OF OUR WE DON'T DO IT AS MUCH HERE IN OTHER INSTITUTIONS BUT ACTUALLY SELL LIKE DENTISTS OR DENTAL TECHS. YOU CAN GO IN AND JOB, NOT AGE AND THEN.

THAT'S CORRECT. SORRY.

THANK YOU. SO THE MEDICAL INFORMATION THAT WE DO MENINGITIS CHEST FOR STUDENTS, DO WE DO MENINGITIS SHOTS FOR STUDENTS.

SO WE HAVE PARTNERED IN.

YEAH, WE'VE HAD SOME PARTNERSHIPS, BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY WE'VE PARTNERED WITH PROVIDERS THAT HAVE PROVIDED MENINGITIS SHOTS AT A REDUCED COST TO OUR STUDENTS AND THAT RELATIONSHIP CONTINUES.

I CAN SEE THAT SHE COULD TELL YOU THE VENDOR THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT AND US, BUT WE DON'T KEEP THAT DATA RIGHT UNDER OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

THEY GATHER ALL THE DATA.

THEY KEEP ALL THE DATA, WELL, STRICTLY SUBJECT TO HIPAA AS DALLAS COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DON'T STORE THE KIND OF MEDICAL INFORMATION THAT MEDICAL CARE INSTITUTIONS DO OR MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS DO. SO WE'RE PROBABLY PRIMARILY DEFERRED BY THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISIONS AROUND STUDENT DATA IN EDUCATION RECORDS.

NOW, IF A DATA IF WE EVER HAD TO STORE INFORMATION THAT WAS COVERED BY HIPA, WE WOULD HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO KEEP THAT SECURE AS WELL.

BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE DON'T KEEP THAT INFORMATION ON OUR STUDENTS.

IT'S POSSIBLE.

SO NOW WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH OUR CLIENTS? LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO LIVE IN FEBRUARY.

THE THING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS REALLY KEY.

BEFORE WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, WE STARTED WITH A SMALL CORE TEAM AND THAT TEAM WAS THERE TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES, WORKFLOWS AND DATA SETS.

NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE EXPANDED THAT CORE TEAM TO SEVERAL HUNDRED FOLKS, AND THE IMPORTANCE THERE IS IT EXPOSES THE INITIAL WORK TO A MUCH LARGER USER AUDIENCE.

NOTICE THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TECHIE FOLKS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS FOLKS.

SO BY EXPOSING THOSE WORKFLOWS TO THE BUSINESS FOLKS, WE GET A MUCH BETTER SENSE AS TO WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED.

SO WE'RE AT THAT WHAT I CALL THE 80% SOLUTION.

NOW WE'RE SEEKING THAT 95 TO 98% SOLUTION.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THAT THE NICE PART ABOUT BEING IN THIS SAAS PLATFORM IS THAT CHANGES CAN HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY.

SO WHAT USED TO TAKE WEEKS, MONTHS IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM ACTUALLY CAN HAPPEN IN ABOUT 5 MINUTES.

AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY KIND OF COOL BECAUSE YOU GO LIVE, YOU GO OUT, SOMEBODY SAID, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS WAY OFF.

SHOULDN'T HAPPEN BY HAND.

NO PROBLEM. WE CAN FIX THAT.

AND IT'S OKAY. SO WE'VE COMPLETED THAT IN TESTING.

WE'VE GOTTEN A HOLISTIC SECURITY APPROACH THAT'S ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE WHAT I CALL TODAY IN COLLEAGUE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT A WILD WEST, BUT UNDERNEATH WORK, IT'S VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY YOUR ROLE.

WHAT PART DO YOU PLAY IN THE ORGANIZATION? AND THEN WE BUILT THE TRAINING CONTENT, WHAT I'LL CALL TRAINING.

CONTENT TRAINING IN A MODERN PLATFORM IS A LOT DIFFERENT.

I USED TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, JIM? WELL, WHO GAVE THE TRAINING MANUAL FOR ME TO USE THIS? ALL RIGHT. I CAN DO ALL MY ONLINE BANKING.

I CAN GET MY MY MORTGAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WE TAILOR THE CONTENT FOR TRAINING TO THAT REALITY.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING NEXT? WE'RE GOING TO START ROLLING THAT OUT IN NOVEMBER.

WE ARE GOING TO CONDUCT ONE OF THE LESSONS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE IS A GOOD LESSON LEARNED IS YOU CANNOT OVERCOMMUNICATE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE MEANS OF COMMUNICATION IS A TOWN HALL MODEL.

AND THAT'S WHERE ME OR SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECT TEAMS ACTUALLY LITERALLY GET UP, INVITE PEOPLE, THEN TRY TO BRING IN SOME REFRESHMENTS TO ENCOURAGE, AND THEN WE TALK AND SAY WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME LITERALLY GIVING FOLKS TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND THAT'S, I THINK, HAS BEEN THE BEST BET.

SO GOING INTO THE ROLL OUT IN FEBRUARY, WE SCHEDULED SEVEN, I THINK SEVEN MORE TOWN HALLS TO HAVE THAT WAY, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE CONCERN THAT THE FACULTY AND STAFF MIGHT HAVE ENROLLING, ROLLING.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY DID THIS INTENTIONALLY, BUT YOU'RE TIMING THE ROLL OUT OF THE ERP IN ADVANCE OF THE COMING PERFORMANCE REVIEW AND BUDGETING CYCLES.

RIGHT. WHICH ALL.

IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FAIR, BUT I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY ROLLING OUT BECAUSE WHEN I GOT HERE, WE WERE AROUND FIVE OR SIX MONTHS.

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SO YOU GET A WHOLE NIGHT.

BUT WE WANT THEM ALL. AT THIS POINT THAT IS IN ADVANCE OF THOSE THINGS.

WE DON'T WANT TO ROLL IT OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

ART STUDENT. THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

THIS IS THE MEETING. THIS IS WHY WE CAME.

ALL RIGHT. LESSONS LEARNED.

WE ARE THE START. AND WE'VE ALREADY INITIATED SOME OF THE STUDENT STEPS.

WE WANT TO DO THAT. WE'RE DOING THAT MUCH EARLIER.

SO I THINK WE WERE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS IN THE SPRINGTIME.

AND NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO START NOW.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART FROM PREVIOUS BRIEF IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT IS AND I'VE TOLD THE BOARD THAT THIS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR THE TRADITIONAL CURRICULUM MODEL.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE DON'T TRY TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT.

I SAW THIS IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE OUR COLLEAGUE IMPLEMENTATION, WHERE YOU TRY TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT CURRICULUM DRIVEN EDUCATION AND YOU TRY AND MAKE IT WORK FOR YOUR WORKFORCE AND THEN YOU WORK IT, YOU WORK THE SYSTEM, AND THEN NOBODY'S HAPPY AT THE END.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ON PART OF WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.

AND THEN WE WANT TO IDENTIFY OUR APPROACHES ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT, THE NONTRADITIONAL WORK, TRAINING AND EDUCATION SEPARATELY. AND WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT IN OUR FOLKS TO WORK FOR.

HER NAME IS DR. MANJU SHAH.

BRAND NEW, AWESOME, AWESOME LADY ON OUR STUDENT RESEARCH SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DATA SET UP SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH HER ON SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT WILL PREPARE US TO HAVE A REALLY NICE, SMOOTH TRANSITION OF THE STUDENT BECAUSE IT'S ALL AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DATA, IT'S ALL ABOUT FLAVOR.

SO WE'VE WORKED WITH VICE PROVOST AND CHANCELLORS, AND KEY ON THIS ONE WAS TO IDENTIFY BACKFILL EMPLOYEES EARLY.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO FOCUS ON THIS, MAKING THIS WORK FOR THEIR JOBS, AND WE WANT TO IDENTIFY BACKFILL OR RESOURCES TO BACKFILL THOSE EMPLOYEES SO THAT THEY CAN TRULY, IN FACT FOCUS ON WORKPLACE AND GET THAT.

THAT'S REALLY THE MAJOR FOCUS RIGHT NOW, IS GETTING THOSE BACK SKILLS IDENTIFIED AND HIRED TO BE BROUGHT IN.

AND THEN WE FINALIZED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH MOVING FORWARD.

AND ACTUALLY, I'M ALREADY WORKING WITH THE PM AND THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TEAM AND DELOITTE TO AGAIN PUSH THIS MANY TASKS EARLY.

I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS START TESTING OUR DATA.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE BEHIND SCHEDULE WHEN WE STARTED WAS GETTING THE DATA EXTRACTS OUT OF COLLEGE.

SO LET'S NOT WASTE ANY TIME.

LET'S START GETTING THE STUDENT DATA EXTRACTS OUT AND MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW HOW MUCH CLEANUP WORK IS REQUIRED.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YES, MA'AM. WHEN YOU SAY LEGACY DATA, DO YOU MEAN LIKE HISTORIC DATA? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. YES.

WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

WE'LL WORK WITH THE BUSINESS TO MAKE SOME CORE DECISIONS.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST THE INTENT IS NOT TO LIFT AND SHIFT THAT LEGACY DATA IN TOTAL, BUT IDENTIFY WHAT LEGACY DATA DO WE NEED TO HAVE, LIKE WHAT STUDENTS WE NEED TO HAVE TRANSFER INFORMATION.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK.

SO THAT HAS TO BE THERE.

BUT A LOT OF THE INFORMATION DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE.

ARE YOU BUT IS THE REQUIREMENT STILL THAT YOU RETAIN PUBLIC INSTITUTION? YOU HAVE TO RETAIN INFORMATION FOR SEVEN YEARS? THAT DEPENDS, I BELIEVE AND I'LL DEFER TO MY MY GENERAL COUNSEL, THAT CERTAIN DATA HAS TO BE RETAINED FOR SEVEN YEARS.

I THINK CERTAIN DATA ACTUALLY HAS TO BE RETAINED LONGER THAN THAT, AND SOME DOES NOT.

YEAH, I COULDN'T I COULDN'T SAY CHAPTER AND VERSE, BUT THERE IS A RETENTION POLICY ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE THAT THAT GOVERNS VARIOUS TYPES OF INFORMATION, AND WE ABIDE BY ALL OF THOSE RETENTION REQUIREMENTS.

SOME SOME ARE SEVEN YEARS, SOME ARE CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THAT, AND SOME MIGHT INDEED BE LONGER.

BUT BUT IT'S ALL PRESCRIBED BY STATUTE, AND WE ADHERE TO THAT.

BUT WE'VE CONTINUOUSLY.

OH, YES, OH, YES.

IN FACT, WE'VE. GENERAL.

YEAH, WE COULD PUT THIS WAY, WE PROBABLY ERRING ON THE SIDE OF THE WORK REQUIREMENT MEANS THAT WE HAVE KEPT THINGS LONGER THAN WE'RE REQUIRED TO.

OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TO SEE WHAT REALLY WE NEED TO DO.

WE NEED TO HAVE 55 YEARS WORTH OF DATA IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT WE WE HAVE ALWAYS MET OUR REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, YOU KNOW.

WELL, WHILE YOU EMPLOYEES OUT THERE, I USED TO TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME I LOOKED UP AT THAT COMPUTER THAT, YOU KNOW, HANGING AROUND YOU.

THEY PICK IT UP. IT DOESN'T GO AWAY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ON THE STUDENT UPDATE, YOU'RE MOVING INTO PHASE TWO.

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AND THEN BECAUSE EARLIER TODAY YOU SAID THAT THE STUDENT SIDE OF IT WOULD BE COMPLETED IN 2025.

THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN USE THE NEW REGISTRATION SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH STUDENTS WILL BE.

SO WHEN IS THE FIRST PHASE OF THE STUDENT PART OF THE ERP COMPLETE? NOT THE COMPLETE THE FIRST PHASE, HOW MANY PHASES? SO AND TIM IS GOING TO KEEP YOU HONEST, WHEN STUDENT ROLLS OUT, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FIVE CUT OVERS.

AND SO THE FIRST CUT OVER WILL BE FALL OF 2024.

AND THEN THEN THERE WILL BE FOUR MORE CUT OVERS OF VARIOUS MODULES WITHIN STUDENT UNTIL THE END OF THAT ACADEMIC YEAR.

SO THAT IN FALL OF 2025, IT'S ACTUALLY CUTTING OVER ENTIRELY.

SO YOU JUST GETTING EVERYTHING PREPARED TO CUT OVER TO YOU? YES, MA'AM. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE DATA, WHICH WAS THE ISSUE WITH HR FINANCE BEING LATE.

I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON ALL OF THOSE FIRST OR SUBSEQUENT CUT OVER TIMELINES.

SO LET'S JUST LET'S JUST KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND GET IT FIXED BEFOREHAND.

SO UNTIL IT IS COMPLETE, YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP IT ALL BACK TO THE COLLEGE SYSTEM TO RETRIEVE CERTAIN DATA.

BUT ONCE IT'S COMPLETE, THE INVESTMENT PROBABLY WILL COMPLETELY GO AWAY.

YES. WILL THEY BE ABLE TO CALL ME AGAIN TODAY? YES. ABLE TO TALK YOU THROUGH THIS? NO, MA'AM. IT'S A MAN IS LITERALLY A LEFT.

IT'S LITERALLY A HANDOFF IN DATA SETS FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

WHAT WE'LL DO, THOUGH, WITH THE HISTORICAL DATA IS WE WANT TO KEEP THAT ALL IN WORK DAY.

IT'S NOT REALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT.

DO IS. AND THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S LISTED HERE.

WE WILL BASICALLY PUT IT IN AN ARCHIVE STATE SO THAT IF WE EVER HAVE TO GO TO IT, WE CAN ACCESS IT.

PHASE TWO THE STREAMING UPDATE DOES INCLUDE A COURSE SCHEDULING FACULTY LOAD MANAGEMENT.

I MEAN, ALL THIS, ALL THIS STUFF THAT MUCH IN THE PREVIOUS KIND OF BAILIWICK OR ANYTHING.

I APPRECIATE THE FOCUS ON STUDENT BUT THERE'S ALL THIS, ALL THAT STUFF TOO.

HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT, HOW IS THAT HANDLED? SOME OF IT IS GOING TO BE HANDLED LATER.

SOME OF IT LIKE THE COURSE SCHEDULING WE'RE ACTUALLY STARTING TO HANDLE AND ADDRESS NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BUILT IN.

WE'RE GOING TO USE SOME OTHER PRODUCTS LIKE WE HAVE SOME TOOLS ACTUALLY THAT THAT HELP ADDRESS THAT.

SO IT'S A MIX.

IT'S A MIX. SOME WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW, SOME ARE GOING TO BE LATER.

WE HAVE A SEPARATE GROUP IN THE PROGRAM OFFICE WHO FOCUSES SPECIFICALLY ON INTERFACES AND WHAT I CALL THE BORG CUBE, WHICH IS STAR TREK FAN.

YOU EVER SEE THE BORG CUBE? IF YOU FILL THAT OFF WITH THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS ABSORB OVER TIME IN HIGHER ED, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT PERSON DOES.

IT'S TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED THESE THREE ANYMORE, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED THIS ONE.

LET'S BUILD AN INTERFACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PLUGGED IN.

SO THIS FALL, ACTUALLY, TIM'S LEADING AN EFFORT WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT ROADMAP SO THAT IT HELPS US COMMUNICATE.

BUT I USE COOL X-Y-Z WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME IN A COMMUNICATE WHEN THOSE PLATFORMS GET TRANSITIONED OR GO AWAY BECAUSE WORKDAY TAKES CARE OF THAT KIND OF.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION DURING THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE ABOUT IT DOING A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, AND THAT BECOMES A SEPARATE COLLEGE OF SEPARATE STUFF, AND THAT'S ALL BEING RATIONALIZED IN THE PROCESS YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

RIGHT? IT'S BEING RATIONALIZED IN THAT ACTUALLY, I'M DOING THAT ALSO.

ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS, AS I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THIS, FOLLOW THE MONEY.

AND SO I'VE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A GROUP CALLED THE OFFICE OF THE CIO THAT WILL TRACK CONTRACTS, PROGRAMS AND EXPENDITURES SO THAT WE CAN BRING THAT IN.

WE SPEND, WE CAN DO A BUDGET EXPLANATION MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I'M SURE ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS GOING TO BE OKAY, ARE WE SPENDING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OR WE SPEND TOO MUCH? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER? AND AND I HAVE PRETTY MUCH IN MIND WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER SHOULD BE, BUT I'VE GOT TO GET SOME OF THE IT SPEND THAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF MY OFFICE NORMALIZED AND BROUGHT IN AS WELL.

AND SO I'M WORKING WITH DISTRICTS TODAY.

AWESOME. OKAY, SO NOW I'M SHIFTING GEARS.

THAT WAS THE WORK DAY. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REST OF THE THING AND THE THEME.

THE THEME WE HAVE IS MODERNIZATION.

MODERNIZATION. WE WE SPEND WE SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

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IF YOU'RE AN I.T. PERSON AND YOU LOOK AT THE WAY WE ARE ARCHITECTED, BOTH FROM A COMMUNICATIONS PERSPECTIVE, FROM A DATABASE PERSPECTIVE AND APPLICATIONS PERSPECTIVE, I CAN TELL YOU THERE WERE SEVEN COLLEGES IN A DISTRICT OFFICE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WHAT WE DO WHEN WE CONDUCT A MERGER AND ACQUISITION, AND WE HAVE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE, DO THE INVENTORY, AND THEN RECONCILE AND CONSOLIDATE AND MAKE IT RIGHT SIZED FOR THE ENTERPRISE.

BECAUSE IN A LARGER ENTERPRISE, IT SHOULD BE VERY ECONOMICAL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THOSE BACK OFFICE THINGS, RIGHT? I SAW THIS A LOT IN NORTH CAROLINA.

YOU SEE THESE SMALLER INSTITUTIONS, THE TEACHERS KNOW HOW TO TEACH AND HERE THEY KNOW HOW TO DELIVER.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS I NEED TO ENABLE THE BACK OFFICE TO WORK THE BEST I CAN FOR THE FOLKS THAT RUN THE OPERATIONS OR THE FINANCE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING.

SOME EXAMPLES LIKE THAT WOULD BE WE HAVE PROBABLY 50 OR 60 DATABASES.

WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY.

AND SO WE HAVE TO BRING ALL THAT COMPUTE TOGETHER.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PRINTERS.

WE DO. WE HAVE A LOT OF PRINTERS.

WE HAVE ONE PRINTER FOR EVERY 2.4.

SO WE NEED TO. THE PROCESS TO MAKE THAT MORE ECONOMICAL.

SO ONE OF THE MODERNIZATION THEMES IS WE'RE GOING TO MODERNIZE, TO ECONOMIZE, AND IT'LL TAKE US SOME TIME, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.

IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE FIND OUT ALL OF THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS, I PROMISED JOHN I WOULDN'T GO OVER THE NUMBER THAT HE GAVE ME FOR THE YEAR.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED.

BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS WHEN I FIND AREAS OF ECONOMY, I'M GOING TO REINVEST THOSE AND THINGS THAT WE NEED.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR BROADBAND ACCESS FOR ALL OF OUR STUDENTS.

IT IS NOT IN THE SAME LEVEL OF EQUITY THAT IT SHOULD BE.

AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU'RE SEVEN INSTITUTIONS AND THE DISTRICT OFFICE PEELS OUT THOSE OUT OF COMMON AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'LL SAY IT'S 500 K I'LL JUST MAKE.

AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SPEND.

AND ONE INSTITUTION SAYS, WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR 500.

I'M GOING TO ADD A MILLION AND A HALF TO IT AND PUT IT INTO TECH.

THE OTHER INSTITUTION SAYS, WELL, I NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MOST OF THAT MONEY, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THIS AMOUNT FOR YOUR CHECK.

YOU DO THAT OVER TEN YEARS.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY.

IT'S JUST NORMAL.

SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL OF OUR STUDENTS FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE WITHOUT HURTING ONE OVER THE OTHER.

WE NEED TO CREATE TECH EQUITY.

SO WE'LL MODERNIZE THE ECONOMY.

WE'LL ALSO MODERNIZE TO CREATE EQUITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S KIND OF A FUN CHALLENGE FOR ME.

I KIND OF ENJOY ALL THOSE THINGS.

THOSE EQUITY ISSUES MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR OUR STUDENTS TO GET THE SAME EDUCATION ACROSS THE BOARD.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF OUR CAMPUSES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE INTERNET HAS GONE DOWN LIKE SIX TIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, I THINK THERE WAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE DAYS WHERE ACTUALLY WE REALLY HAD TO SHUT THE CAMPUS DOWN BECAUSE THE INTERNET WASN'T THERE.

YOU SAID, WHY? WELL, WE'RE DESIGNED AS SEVEN INDIVIDUAL COLLEGES, NOT ALL WITH THE SAME RESOURCES.

AND IF YOU CREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ANALYSIS, THE NORTH SIDE OF DALLAS, YOU GET THE SAME TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE INVESTMENT.

ALL RIGHT. BUT YEAH, NO PROMISE, JOHN.

WE'LL KEEP IT WITHIN THE NUMBER, BUT IT WILL TAKE SOME INVESTMENT TO DO WELL TO LOOK AT AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT.

I'LL JUST KEEP GOING BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT TIME.

WE'LL LOOK WE'LL LOOK AT WORKFORCE AND CONTINUING EDUCATION.

SO WE NEED A CAPABILITY TO DELIVER THIS.

THIS IS UNIQUE.

CURRICULUM BASED EDUCATION IS VERY TEMPO.

IT'S GOT A SET TEMPO THAT HAPPENS.

IT'S RECURRING ALL THE TIME.

THIS IS REAL TIME.

AND I USED TO CALL IT THIS IS LIKE POINT OF SALE, REAL TIME ACTIVITY AND THAT IS DIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SUPPORTING THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD OUT OF A NORMAL STUDENT INFORMATION SYSTEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE USE THESE EXAMPLES LIKE IF AN INDUSTRY PARTNER CAME UP TO PIPER AND WANTED TO IMPLEMENT A TRAINING SOLUTION, THEN WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

AND THE ABILITY TO DO THAT FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WOULD BE IN A TRADITIONAL ACADEMIC CULTURE, MAYBE GOVERNANCE AND MANAGEMENT.

FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THIS CAPABILITY AND DOCUMENTARY SHORT WORKING WITH DR.

JOSEPH. THEY'VE ESTABLISHED DATA GOVERNANCE AND NOW WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THIS IS THE THE TOOL THAT THEY SELECTED THROUGH EVALUATION ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO PLUG INTO OUR TECHNOLOGY VERY SEAMLESSLY SO THAT WHEN THE DATA GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE IDENTIFIES A RULE SET THAT CAN BE

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I TALKED ABOUT THAT. ARCHIVE SPACE TRUSTEE COMPTON.

THIS IS WHERE THE DATA WAREHOUSE LAKE AND THE UNIFIED RECORDING COME IN.

SO WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING INFORMATION OUT OF OUR ERP.

WE GET INFORMATION FROM THOUSANDS OF ENDPOINTS AND SUBSCRIPTION DATA SETS.

WE WANT TO BRING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S HOW MANY TIMES DO PEOPLE DO STUDENTS LOG IN TO WHERE ARE THE JOBS AND WHAT ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THOSE JOBS BY ZIP CODE.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT ALL INTO A SINGLE PLACE SO THAT WE CAN FULLY LEVERAGE OUR HERE AND HELP STUDENTS GET THROUGH THAT PATHWAY FROM IN THE DOOR TO EMPLOYMENT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT LAKE AND WAREHOUSE COME FROM.

YOU HEARD EARLIER TODAY ABOUT A MODERN LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT'S THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED AND WILL GET DONE BY THIS YEAR.

THAT WAS THE BRIEF PRESENTED AT NINE THIS MORNING.

SO THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WE NEED TO PERFORM A COMPREHENSIVE SECURITY AND TECHNICAL PROBABILITY ASSESSMENT.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I NEED TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR EXPERTS TO COME IN AND LITERALLY TRY TO HACK US TO DEATH AND TELL US WHERE WE TELL US WHERE WE'RE STRONG.

I MEAN, AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, SEVEN COLLEGES, TECHNICALLY, ONE DISTRICT OFFICE, TECHNICALLY, WE JUST GLOMMED THEM TOGETHER.

ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY PRACTICED SECURITY DIFFERENT FROM BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES.

THAT WAS ALL DONE UNIQUELY.

NOW WE NEED TO CREATE THAT COMPREHENSIVE BASE SET TO WORK FROM YOU.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT PURPOSES OF THE BRITE SPACE AND THE MODERN LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AS COMPARED TO THE PRIOR SLIDE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A WORKFORCE AND CONTINUING AN EDUCATION SYSTEM WITHIN WORKDAY.

WHY? WHY ARE THOSE SEPARATE SPHERES OF ACTIVITY OR APPROACH? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THIS LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM CAN OR POSSIBLY CAN PERFORM BOTH THE KINDS OF STUDENTS IT'S A STUDENT FACING INTERFACE.

IT'S JUST IT'S A STUDENT FACING INTERFACE.

SO WHETHER IT'S A WORKFORCE, I CALL IT, WE'RE SERVING STUDENTS FROM AGE 8 TO 8, RIGHT? SO WHETHER IT'S THAT EIGHT YEAR OLD.

ONE YEAR OLD WOMAN IS THE 80 YEAR OLD LEARNING HOW TO DO SMALL ENGINE REPAIR.

THAT LEARNING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WILL SUPPORT THAT FUNCTION FROM A LEARNING PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THE STUDENT SIDE, THE BACK END OF THAT, WHERE THE WHERE THE FEES ARE.

FOR EXAMPLE, DO I WANT TO HAVE IT AS A CONFERENCE? DO I PAY UP FRONT? DO I PAY AT THE DOOR? CAN I TURN THAT INTO MARKETING INFORMATION TO ENCOURAGE THAT PERSON WHO CAME TO A CONFERENCE TO GO TO A TRAINING CLASS, EITHER IN CISCO? DOES THAT PROVIDE ACADEMIC CREDITS SO THAT I CAN PUT THEM INTO AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE? THAT ENGINE THAT PART HAPPENS ON THE ERP OR THE STUDENT INFORMATION SIDE AND SO ON.

THE CIS FOR WORKDAY THAT'S DESIGNED FOR CURRICULUM STUDENTS.

YOU NEED TO HAVE ALMOST HAVE AN SIS AND A FINANCIAL PIECE ON THE WORKFORCE SIDE TO SUPPORT THAT SPEED OF ACTION.

AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT IT.

I'M NOT MAKING IT CLEAR.

I THINK SO. BUT THE STUDENT, WHETHER THEY'RE A TRADITIONAL STUDENT OR A NONTRADITIONAL STUDENT, CONTINUING LEARNER, I MEAN, THEIR INTERFACE IS GOING TO BE THROUGH THE WORK DAY, RIGHT.

AND AND THE REGISTRATION PROCESS PROBABLY IS.

YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I SAYING, BUT I'LL GIVE IT THE OFF LINE.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

WE'LL DO MORE. YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT PART OF THAT PICTURE HAS TO BE CREATED.

AND SO THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE WAYS OF DOING THAT.

THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE ARE FIVE WAYS OF GETTING THAT CAN AND THE BEST WAY OF GETTING THAT ADOPTED AND FIT WITHIN THE CULTURE THAT'S UNIQUE TO DALLAS COLLEGE HAS TO BE DEVELOPED, HAVE TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES TO UNDERSTAND, AND I HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STUDENTS TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE IT IS IT'S IT'S UNIQUE IN EVERY INSTITUTION.

IT'S JUST COOL. IT'S OUR OWN CULTURE, BUT WE WANT IT TO WORK, RIGHT? I'VE PUT IN A LOT OF SYSTEMS. SOMETIMES I'M LIKE GOING, BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT THAT ONE IN.

BUT THE ADOPTION AND THE USE IS MORE IMPORTANT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THEY WON'T USE IT, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER.

IT'S MONEY WASTED, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY'LL USE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLEARED MUD. I APPRECIATE HAVING GOTTEN AN UPDATE ON THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION.

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SUCH A MAJOR PROJECT, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

SEVERAL YEARS. GOOD TO SEE HOW WE COME BACK AFTER WE GO LIVE FEBRUARY.

IT MIGHT BE MARCH, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BROKEN LEGS AND AND STEAK AND SHRIMP THAT WE HAD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL DO A FULL ANALYSIS OF EVERYTHING.

BUT THEN THE STUDENT, BECAUSE IT'S OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

MIKE SEEM TO BE MORE DRAWN OUT.

SO SO THERE IS NOT AS MUCH MAYBE AS RAPIDLY TO TALK ABOUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT JIM AND I TALKED ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP Y'ALL UPDATED.

SO WHEN YOUR EMPLOYEE IS GETTING TRAINED ON USING THIS NEW AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, ALL I'M GOING TO START GETTING THE TRAINING JANUARY.

YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON MY ROLE RIGHT NOW.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE USING IT FOR LIKE FINANCE OR ARE CURRENTLY WORKING IN THE SYSTEMS, DOING OUR USER EXPERIENCE REVIEWS AS PART OF THEIR TRAINING HANDS ON, THEY'RE DOING THINGS. AND FOR THE BROADER POPULATION, IF YOU'RE A MANAGER OR AN EMPLOYEE OF SELF SERVICE, THERE'LL BE TRAINING AVAILABLE TO IT.

BUT AS JIM SAID, IT'S JUST LIKE ONLINE BANKING WE HAD WHEN WE GAVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO IT, WE HAD PEOPLE IN THERE DOING TRANSACTIONS WITH ZERO TRAINING AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE ME DON'T EVER GO TO TRAINING AND TRY TO GO OUT THERE AND BREAK IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, JIM, JIM ACTUALLY LIKES ME TO DO THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE THE THE MATERIALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A TRADITIONAL TRAINING AND MEAN THE MORE LIKE GUYS THAT ALLOW USERS WHO ARE ALREADY TRAINED BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN USING IT IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING IT LIKE AN HR OR BUSINESS SCIENTIST CHRISTINE HAS RATHER THAN USING IT.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW THE FRIENDS I THINK YOU MENTIONED HE'S KEEPING YOU ON A BUDGET.

I REMEMBER WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS TO THE BOARD THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE TRANSITION.

I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2017 OR SO, AND YOU SCOPED IT OUT AS AROUND 200 AND $250 MILLION PROJECT.

IS THAT DID IT PLAY OUT THAT WAY YOU IMAGINED OR IS.

WELL, WHAT THE BOARD HAD APPROVED IN THIS THAT WE CAME BACK LATER IS $84 MILLION FOR ALL THE ELEMENTS.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY IN THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING PUSHED RIGHT NOW.

AND I'M I'LL SAY THIS FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE STAY IN COMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVEN'T USED THE CONTINGENCY YET, BUT WE MIGHT THERE MAY BE PEAK PERIOD BECAUSE SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION.

I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THIS IN PUBLIC SESSION IS QUITE FRANKLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DOLLARS WE'VE GOT TO MAKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT IF YOU DON'T GET THE SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION.

HE HAS ALREADY HEARD THAT.

BOY, THIS KID JUST RUNS RAGGED.

IT IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT STEPS AND NOT JUST WASTE MONEY.

SO HE HAS TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS TO GET THERE.

RIGHT. RIGHT, JIM? RIGHT. YEAH. KNOW THAT SHAPES, THOUGH.

YOU WERE IN YOUR IN OUR LAST SESSION, WE TALKED ABOUT SHARED SERVICES.

HOW DOES THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, OUR ERP, HOW MODULAR IS IT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE X-Y-Z Z COLLEGE AND PLUGGED IN AND BLOCK THEM ALL? SO TIM'S GOING TO KEEP ME SQUARE, BUT I HAVEN'T EXPLORED THIS SYSTEM.

BUT I KNOW THAT WORKDAY IS LOOKING AT THAT.

AND THEY ARE.

THEY ARE. WHAT'S IT CALLED? CHESS. CHESS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT A MODEL BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE.

I HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND.

APPRECIATE THAT. MOST COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS CANNOT AFFORD TO DO THIS.

WELL, YEAH, AND A LOT OF THEM DID.

THE SMALLER ONES WENT OUT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD THE MONEY, WENT OUT AND BOUGHT WORK WORKDAY AND THEY BOUGHT AN 18 WHEELER WHEN THEY NEEDED A PICKUP.

CORRECT. SO THEY COULDN'T OPERATE IT.

AND IT WAS CLUMSY AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

SO I JUST WANT US TO BE KEEPING IN OUR MIND NOW.

THE BEST WAY THAT YOU RECOVER IN THE WORLD IS TO LEVERAGE OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE THE CAPACITY.

AND SO I WANT US TO ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE HAVING IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND THAT WITH THIS LEAD LEADING PROGRAM DOWN IN AUSTIN ABOUT SHARED SERVICES, IT'S THE BEST WAY IN THE WORLD FOR US TO RECOUP OUR MONEY BY BEING ABLE TO TO OFFLOAD SOMETHING.

AND GIVE US SOME ATTABOYS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S IT'S. I DIDN'T PUT IT UP THERE OR PUT IT IN THE BRIEF, BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR EFFORTS IS A MIGRATION TO WHAT'S CALLED THE RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING NETWORK OR EDUCATION NETWORK AND OUR CURRENT NETWORK.

IT HAS TO START AT THE FOUNDATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO OUR CURRENT NETWORK IS SET UP WITH ONE GIG AND A COUPLE OF TEN GIGABYTE PIPES, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US WHEN WE TRY TO DO SOME

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SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT RESEARCH AND EDUCATION GROUP IN.

SET US UP ON A REDUNDANT ENVIRONMENT SO THAT WAY COLLEGES LIKE CEDAR VALLEY NEVER GO DOWN.

THEY ALWAYS HAVE A BACKDOOR TO GO AND THEY'LL NEVER KNOW IT.

AND INSTEAD OF ONE GIG PUNCH, WE'LL GO TO 100 LIVES AND MASSIVELY EXPAND THAT THAT BROADBAND ACCESS.

SO IT WILL NOT ONLY HELP OUR STUDENTS, BUT CONNECT US TO SEVERAL FOUR YEAR INSTITUTIONS IN THE IN THE LOCAL AREA AS WELL AS THE STATE.

AND IT WILL ALLOW US TO PROVIDE THAT COLLABORATION MODEL.

SO IT GIVE US A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY.

AND I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO IN THE FUTURE HAVE THE ABILITY TO.

WE TALK ABOUT NOW BRINGING AN AMERICAN AIRLINE STUDENTS IN TO OUR FACILITY.

BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR STUDENTS LIKE WE DO.

THE THE HIGH SCHOOLS COME TO OUR CAMPUS FOR THEIR WORK.

I WANT US TO HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO PUT 2030 STUDENTS OUT IN X, Y, Z COMPANY, BUT ACTUALLY BE UTILIZING OUR I.T.

SYSTEMS. AND IF WE DON'T PREPARE FOR THAT NOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THE FOUNDATION ONLY HOLDS SO MUCH.

THE ARCHITECTURE BEING DESIGNED IS TO TO FOLLOW A TEACH AND LEARN FROM ANYWHERE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT.

WELL, AND THE OTHER THING, TRUSTEE BOARD WITH THE SHARED SERVICES PART, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT MAYBE OVERBUY OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT'S A LACK OF EXPERTISE. RIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE CLEARLY HAVE BEEN BUILDING IS THE TALENT AND THE TEAM THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO A LARGE SCALE IMPLEMENTATION.

AND THERE'S VALUE IN THAT PERHAPS TO OTHER INSTITUTIONS AS THEY CONSIDER.

SOMETHING IS WRONG. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? GOOD WORK. THANKS.

THANK YOU. I WILL BRING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO A NICE CLOSURE AT 2:54PM.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.